MOST EXCITING TIMES TO BE ALIVE_ CHOOSING WHAT TO DO WITH CHIPS*COMPUTERS*DEEP DATA SOVEREIGNTY MOBILSATION Thanks to Moores Law, Satellite Death of Distance, Jensen's Law - peoples can now work with 10**18 more tech in 2025 than 1965 but where is freedom of intelligence blooming? AI vibrancy Rankings places supporting people's application of 1000 times more tech every 15 years from 1965 and million times more tech from 1995- Japan since 1950; West Coast USA & Taiwan from 1965; Singapore HK Korea Cambridge UK from 1980; China UAE from 1995; from 2010 rsvp chris.macrae@yahoo.co.uk Grok3 suggest 2025 Biotech miracles for Asian and African Plants

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ED, AI: Welcome to 64th year of linking Japan to Intelligence Flows of Neumann-Einstein-Turing - The Economist's 3 gamechnagers of 1950s .. Norman Macrae, Order 3 of Rising Sun ...Wash DC, Summer 25: Son & Futures co-author Chris.Macrae Linkedin UNwomens) writes: My passion connecting generations of intelligences of Asian and Western youth follows from dad's work and my own Asian privileges starting with work for Unilever Indonesia 1982 - first of 60 Asian data building trips. 3 particular asian miracles fill our valuation system mapping diaries: empowerment of poorest billion women, supercity design, tech often grounded in deepest community goals; human energy, health, livelihood ed, safe & affordable family life integrating transformation to mother earth's clean energy and Einstein's 1905 deep data transformations. All of above exponentially multiply ops and risks as intelligence engineering now plays with 10**18 more tech than when dad's first named article in The Economist Considered Japan 1962 - with all of JFKennedy, Prince Charles & Japan Emperor joining in just as silicon chips, computation machines and satellites changed every way we choose to learn or teach or serve or celebrate each other
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Journalism of 10**18 More Tech. Norman Macrae became Economist diarist of Neumann (Einstein Turing) in 1951. All three of the NET died suddenly (last notes Neumann - Computer & Brain , Bethesda 1956) but not before training economic jounalists of Neural Network maths and coding aim to map win-wins of their legacy of 10**18 more tech by 2025, JF Kennedy and Royal families of UK and Japan were first to debate what this might look like from 1962 - in 2025 the most exciting AI & BioI (learning) games millennials can play are rooted to exponential mappingAI Game 1 douible loops through 3 AI wizards, nations' AI leaders
Jensen Huang
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45 Cities- Civil Eng Road of Things
SAIS 70 nations youth ambassadors of win-win science
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Monday, February 28, 2000

alibaba qwen vs eg llama

 Alibaba Cloud’s  Dec2024  FEB2025 rapid ascent in both cloud infrastructure and AI is confirmed by multiple recent industry benchmarks and rankings.

Alibaba Cloud’s Position in the Global Market

  • Forrester Wave™ Q4 2024: Alibaba Cloud achieved the #2 global ranking among public cloud providers, scoring as a “Leader” for the first time and recognized as the top performer among all non-Western companies. It earned the second highest marks in both “current offering” and “strategy” categories, ahead of most Western competitors except for the market leader (likely AWS or Microsoft Azure)1234.

  • Only four vendors were named leaders in the report, with Alibaba Cloud standing out for product strength, innovation in artificial intelligence, and a broad global presence.

Qwen: Alibaba’s Large Language Model Series

Performance in Global Benchmarks

  • Chatbot Arena (2025):

    • The most advanced model, Qwen2.5-Max, climbed to #7 overall in the global LLM rankings on Chatbot Arena, a respected community-driven benchmark that compares all major AI models5678.

    • Qwen2.5-Max is the top Chinese model and ahead of western open-source rivals like LLaMA 3.1–70B and Claude 3.5-Sonnet, but trails behind top proprietary models like DeepSeek-R1 and ChatGPT-4o.

    • In specific domains, Qwen2.5-Max is #1 in global rankings for math and coding, and #2 for handling “hard prompts” (complex tasks)5678.

  • Hugging Face Open LLM Leaderboard:

    • Qwen models, especially Qwen2-72B, currently hold the #1 position for open-source language models on the updated Hugging Face leaderboard, outperforming Meta’s LLaMA 3.1-70B and other top open-source competitors for tasks like knowledge reasoning, complex math, and instruction following91011.

    • Qwen holds several spots in the top 10, underscoring its consistent excellence.

Western Competitors

  • Meta LLaMA 3.1 is Qwen’s primary Western open-source rival, ranking just below Qwen on most leaderboards, especially for math and highly technical tasks911.

  • Closed Western models, like OpenAI’s GPT-4o and Anthropic’s Claude 3.5, still set the bar for overall capability but are proprietary and typically not included in Hugging Face’s open-source leaderboards967.

Takeaway

  • Qwen is now the top-ranked open-source LLM globally and the highest-ranking Chinese model overall, surpassing all Western open models in 2025 for core technical and benchmarked tasks.

  • In paid public benchmarks (like Chatbot Arena), Qwen is among the global top 10, outperforming many leading Western models in specific domains, and is the go-to choice for technical use-cases such as coding and math, even outpacing Meta’s LLaMA 3.1 in most respects.

  • Alibaba Cloud’s rapid AI model innovation, combined with its recognized leadership in cloud infrastructure, makes it the most competitive global challenger to Western incumbents in both cloud and AI for 2025235978.

Related
Where does Alibaba Qwen rank compared to US and European competitors in cloud AI
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Why does Qwen outperform LLaMA on Hugging Face benchmarks despite its smaller size
How might Alibaba's AI model development affect its global competitive standing
Why does Qwen outperform LLaMA on Hugging Face benchmarks despite its smaller size

Qwen outperforms similarly sized and even larger LLaMA models on Hugging Face benchmarks due to a combination of advanced architectural choices, superior data curation, and aggressive efficiency optimizations—not just raw parameter count.

Key Reasons Why Qwen Outperforms LLaMA

  • Data Scale and Quality

    • Qwen’s recent pretraining leverages much larger and higher-quality datasets, including over 30–36 trillion tokens and extensive focus on multilingual data, math, code, and reasoning tasks. Synthetic data generated by earlier Qwen models (like Qwen2.5-Math and Qwen2.5-Coder) further enhance capabilities in STEM and code tasks1.

  • Architectural Innovations

    • Qwen modifies the standard Transformer architecture adopted by LLaMA by adding features like improved tokenization (higher compression efficiency), enhanced positional encoding (via rotary embeddings and NTK-aware interpolation), and context-window scaling that enables understanding of longer contexts efficiently21.

    • Employs grouped-query attention (GQA) for faster inference, and sometimes a mixture-of-experts (MoE) structure—activating only a subset of parameters per input, allowing models with “smaller activated size” to achieve the performance of much larger dense models13.

    • LogN-scaling and windowed attention mechanisms help Qwen scale context length without losing performance2.

  • Pretraining Approach

    • Qwen’s training emphasizes knowledge-intensive and high-context data, including scientific literature and PDF-sourced materials, allowing for “smarter scaling”—the models match or exceed larger predecessors’ performance at a smaller size13.

  • Optimization for Efficiency

    • Benchmarks show Qwen generates outputs 15–24% faster and uses less memory compared to LLaMA, reducing resource requirements for deployment and making it suitable for production environments45.

    • Qwen achieves more information with fewer tokens thanks to an efficient tokenizer, which increases “meaning per token” and further reduces inference cost2.

  • Specialization in Multilingual and Technical Tasks

    • Qwen’s design and training greatly favor multilingual, context-heavy, and technical/computational tasks—environments where LLaMA, especially Western-centric training regimes, do not excel as much675.

    • Fine-tuned variants improve instruction-following abilities, and reinforcement learning ensures outputs are aligned with user needs and safety8.

Practical Takeaway

  • While LLaMA remains strong for generalized English language tasks and open-source development, Qwen delivers higher benchmark scores despite smaller active or total parameter counts, due to smarter scaling, architectural innovations, and more specialized or diverse pretraining123.

  • The Qwen approach—using a combination of advanced engineering, focus on input efficiency, and context-aware scaling—means it consistently outperforms LLaMA on Hugging Face and other open benchmarks for coding, math, long-context reasoning, and multilingual use cases, not by brute force but by a deeper, more refined approach.

In summary: Qwen’s superior training regime, architectural tweaks, and task specialization allow it to “punch above its weight,” outperforming the bigger LLaMA models on Hugging Face leaderboards despite having fewer activated parameters123.